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CHEF DREAM

Yesterday I posted a correspondence I had with a bishop from the US - it dealt with 'spirituality and religion-related ideas. I posted that to show that my own art work and thoughts on art are 'the same thing',  merely in another discourse or socio-cultural practice.

Today I post a short piece in which someone, D Young,esq., told me about a dream he had. I replied that -

 
in your dream  you experienced the event, you were the event, you created it and 'acted'/lived it out  -

what were the many discourses involved?  There was no need for words, pictures, etc.

When you re-counted the dream to me, you used another medium.

Talking , speech - this medium has its own techniques,  potential, limitations etc  to reconstruct the dream event.

I then told Mr Young that he should write down what he told me and what he experienced in the dream.

I informed him that writing will again many other techniques to try and reconstruct his dream.

The short piece I post here is what he wrote.

In this way I wish to show that religion, art, sciences, music, performing arts, etc etc  - all socio-cultural practices are -

in a general way deal with 'the same thing', but in terms of the ideals, norms, etc etc of the particular discourse (its customs, traditions, etc).

I said to Mr Young - the piece he wrote is like the blue print for the Harry Potter film series, the Twilight series etc.

And, that an aware and informed editor, film maker, etc will see the value of what he wrote and publish it in book form,

as scripts for art installations ( reconstruct his dream in an art gallery, while making a film of it),

making a Spielberg-type movie of it etc.

That again would be employing other discourses, their aims, techniques, potential, limitations , etc.

In this way I wish to say that as human beings we have a diversity of discourses or socio-cultural practices to  experience, express, communicate,

reconstruct one phenomena, experience, situation, event....

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I had this amazing dream where I was in at a restaurant in sort of a mall.

It was an open plan type space,but set in a circular type style around a pillar that had

green creeping vine type plant leaves growing on it.

It was not a normal restaurant in a sense that chef Gusto had only one meal that he made

and that is it. No one could change the menu or the ingredients - you had to take what you were


give by the chef. His world, his construction of reality and everyone entering it had to

accept what was presented to them.

I had the impression that one could not just walk in, but there was no reservations.

One could not book in advance nor select or deny any ingredients. there were 40 to 50

people in the  space , and the big, flat iron stove was set in plain view.every seat was full yet

I had the impression of walking in. I felt out of place but had a sense of okay-Ness that I was there and I had a place.

Everyone seemed to know someone and despite sitting in small groups , everyone was alone.

I don’t recall sitting at first, instead it was as if I was hovering close to the chef who had a meticulous way of preparing his food. A type of confidence and pride that I could feel as

I watched him prepare about 15 fish fillets. I saw him divide every cooked piece into 3 or

so  cuts. I had a sense that all would have a share.

In front of me appeared a bowl of soup .Not so thick or to thin.It was tomatoish in colour,

I had no way of describing the taste itself, it was nebulous, vague, every taste possible, but no specific taste ..

Instead it was like clouds of heaven an all taste in one and yet separate. Divine!

I do not recall taking a seat,instead I was just “seated” and again a meal of fish and a type

of spaghetti that I can try and describe as a type of chicken ala king , but without the chicken.

again it was as if the fish had all the different fish in the world's flavours were set in to this tiny portion,

and the pasta was so  as though one could experience,live or exist in its taste touch sound

.One could see the taste, one could hear it like ambiance music, one could touch it and feel it -  all senses


were involved  in the meal - as each person was seated alone at a table, so as not be distracted by the thoughts and conversations of others -


that enabled a 100% plus concentration on the experience of eating  - everyone was together as one yet everyone as on their own in this vast but at the same time small, intimate\space.

Now that I think of it,He was alone no waters and such yet everyone received their meal simultaneously. I don’t recall seeing Him serve anyone , the meal just appeared ............

as if by magic in front of the diners -- nebulous.

 

I don’t recall it being the next day but I remember being obsessed just to go there again

and walking in seeing many plates of what would appear to be breakfast consisting of 2 of the most beautifully seasoned eggs but nothing else on the plates yet.It seemed as if the rest was still being prepared. then I woke up


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I told Mr Young  that my visual, again another discourse and socio-cultural practice expresses 'this' event, or one interpretation of it in terms of the discourse of visual arts and more specifically the genre of painting. This discourse is able to

emphasize other aspects that other discourses, films, writing, speech, religion, etc cannot deal with and/or is not interested to deal with, as those discourses have other purposes, leading ideals, value, aims...


So in a sens, my paintings, religion, science etc try to deal with the same thing, or different aspects of, perspectives on (from different frames of references and constructions of reality) 'the same thing'. Thus, they , of course,


do not deal with the same thing, and by means of different techniques, norms, traditions, etc.


A few paintings of mine that I suggested to him might touch on other aspects of his dream, that were not and cannot be dealt with by speech, writing, films, etc...




the world awakes, at 3am when I started painting


David,

I sent this to you

https://sites.google.com/site/artgalleryulrich/home/chefdream

after what we exchanged yesterday.

I send the link where I placed it on my art site - as it contains all required.

Situation - I've been up painting since 2 am - now 11am
Delton told me about a dream he had, I told him to write it down, I pasted a few pics from last night with it.

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The point - art, religion, writing, music, etc all deal with the 'same thing',

in terms of their different discourses/socio cultural practices,

but therefore it is not the same thing -  different emphases by different discourses.

The Jesus encounters, or Godhead, the father encounter are available at every moment,




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David, that is why I  do reverse imagine, black and white, greys and their opposites, as well as the opposite complimentary colors of the painting.

I would have thought art experts know and do this -

but when art Profs see my work  they are astonished -

I tell them black and white allows you so perceive and focus on other things than the color painting, the opposite/ complimentary colors do that as well but in different ways.

These are things I take for granted, awareness of forms, structures, composition etc and I would have thought profs who run art schools will know this and use them to train the acute perception of students.

Look at a van Gogh, Mona Lisa etc in opposite colors,greys, black and white etc - to become awrte of things you did not see at first.

I see all those things in the original - because I

I know about such things and trained my mind/eye - mind's eye for it - this is how I see daily life and its objects -=

One hears that most people notice less than 100% around them, in the street etc - artists see , perceive more?

I doubt this - artists lack acute perception, except a Michaelangelo,  da Vinci etc. perhaps?



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On 2015-10-29 01:45 PM, BigShowRev@aol.com wrote:
Need to sit with this a little longer to see what comes up.  I'm always impressed with your use of reverse imaging - photographic kind of mirroring that allows an almost entirely different experience to emerge.  Conventional theology in the West, in my experience, doesn't allow for the yin/yang dynamic to be present. Our children, hooked as they are on computers, live in a largely binary world of either/or, 1's and 0's.  The dream and the paintings are suggesting both/and to me. The dream is about abundance but one has to take the time to move beyond a simple, predetermined code and allow a different life context to emerge.  Maybe I'll see something else after I've had more coffee.
 
In a message dated 10/29/2015 4:57:15 A.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, monkagain@gmail.com writes:
David,

I sent this to you

https://sites.google.com/site/artgalleryulrich/home/chefdream

after what we exchanged yesterday.

I send the link where I placed it on my art site - as it contains all
required.

Situation - I've been up painting since 2 am - now 11am
Delton told me about a dream he had, I told him to write it down, I
pasted a few pics from last night with it.

--

The point - art, religion, writing, music, etc all deal with the 'same
thing',

in terms of their different discourses/socio cultural practices,

but therefore it is not the same thing -  different emphases by
different discourses.

The Jesus encounters, or Godhead, the father encounter are available at
every moment,

  here and now in all we do, are etc.




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Subject: Re: please see this link on my site for images/details

David, that is why I  do reverse imagine, black and white, greys and their opposites, as well as the opposite complimentary colors of the painting.

I would have thought art experts know and do this -

but when art Profs see my work  they are astonished -

I tell them black and white allows you so perceive and focus on other things than the color painting, the opposite/ complimentary colors do that as well but in different ways.

These are things I take for granted, awareness of forms, structures, composition etc and I would have thought profs who run art schools will know this and use them to train the acute perception of students.

Look at a van Gogh, Mona Lisa etc in opposite colors,greys, black and white etc - to become awate of things you did not see at first.

I see all those things in the original - because I

I know about such things and trained my mind/eye - mind's eye for it - this is how I see daily life and its objects -=

One hears that most people notice less than 100% around them, in the street etc - artists see , perceive more?

I doubt this - artists lack acute perception, except a Michaelangelo,  da Vinci etc. perhaps?


.





On 2015-10-29 01:45 PM, BigShowRev@aol.com wrote:
Need to sit with this a little longer to see what comes up.  I'm always impressed with your use of reverse imaging - photographic kind of mirroring that allows an almost entirely different experience to emerge.  Conventional theology in the West, in my experience, doesn't allow for the yin/yang dynamic to be present. Our children, hooked as they are on computers, live in a largely binary world of either/or, 1's and 0's.  The dream and the paintings are suggesting both/and to me. The dream is about abundance but one has to take the time to move beyond a simple, predetermined code and allow a different life context to emerge.  Maybe I'll see something else after I've had more coffee.
 
In a message dated 10/29/2015 4:57:15 A.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, monkagain@gmail.com writes:
David,

I sent this to you

https://sites.google.com/site/artgalleryulrich/home/chefdream

after what we exchanged yesterday.

I send the link where I placed it on my art site - as it contains all
required.

Situation - I've been up painting since 2 am - now 11am
Delton told me about a dream he had, I told him to write it down, I
pasted a few pics from last night with it.

--

The point - art, religion, writing, music, etc all deal with the 'same
thing',

in terms of their different discourses/socio cultural practices,

but therefore it is not the same thing -  different emphases by
different discourses.

The Jesus encounters, or Godhead, the father encounter are available at
every moment,

  here and now in all we do, are etc.

Please see the link above for it





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David, that is why I  do reverse imagine, black and white, greys and their opposites, as well as the opposite complimentary colors of the painting.

I would have thought art experts know and do this -

but when art Profs see my work  they are astonished -

I tell them black and white allows you so perceive and focus on other things than the color painting, the opposite/ complimentary colors do that as well but in different ways.

These are things I take for granted, awareness of forms, structures, composition etc and I would have thought profs who run art schools will know this and use them to train the acute perception of students.

Look at a van Gogh, Mona Lisa etc in opposite colors,greys, black and white etc - to become awate of things you did not see at first.

I see all those things in the original - because I

I know about such things and trained my mind/eye - mind's eye for it - this is how I see daily life and its objects -=

One hears that most people notice less than 100% around them, in the street etc - artists see , perceive more?

I doubt this - artists lack acute perception, except a Michaelangelo,  da Vinci etc. perhaps?



.





On 2015-10-29 01:45 PM, BigShowRev@aol.com wrote:
Need to sit with this a little longer to see what comes up.  I'm always impressed with your use of reverse imaging - photographic kind of mirroring that allows an almost entirely different experience to emerge.  Conventional theology in the West, in my experience, doesn't allow for the yin/yang dynamic to be present. Our children, hooked as they are on computers, live in a largely binary world of either/or, 1's and 0's.  The dream and the paintings are suggesting both/and to me. The dream is about abundance but one has to take the time to move beyond a simple, predetermined code and allow a different life context to emerge.  Maybe I'll see something else after I've had more coffee.
 
In a message dated 10/29/2015 4:57:15 A.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, monkagain@gmail.com writes:
David,

I sent this to you

https://sites.google.com/site/artgalleryulrich/home/chefdream

after what we exchanged yesterday.

I send the link where I placed it on my art site - as it contains all
required.

Situation - I've been up painting since 2 am - now 11am
Delton told me about a dream he had, I told him to write it down, I
pasted a few pics from last night with it.

--

The point - art, religion, writing, music, etc all deal with the 'same
thing',

in terms of their different discourses/socio cultural practices,

but therefore it is not the same thing -  different emphases by
different discourses.

The Jesus encounters, or Godhead, the father encounter are available at
every moment,

  here and now in all we do, are etc.



 


 

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